Friday, May 29, 2009

Cockfighting; source material for YACB's "Battle" scene



Posted by: billy Location: standford on Apr 17, 2008 at 02:40 PM
there is nothing roug with chincken fighting because they have there own life and thats what they want to do that they can

Posted by: Rudy Location: Tinley Park, Illinois on Apr 6, 2008 at 01:11 PM
I don't know what they meant by animal cruelty. Do they mean killing of animals like Chicken(Fowl), Pig, Cow, Goat, Deer, Cat, Dog, etc. How long is the Law has been in force prohibiting the killing of these animals? Is that law has been implemented fairly. If it is, how come I can still see a lot of pork, beef meat and chicken in the market like Dominicks, Jewel Osco, K-mART, etc. You know, the killing of these animals like the one you see in the market is far more brutal than killing a rooster.The Pig, the Cow and the chiclen were killed in the slaughter house, peeled-off the skin, hang, cut into pieces and then displayed into the public. Guess what is next...they're looking for a good profit. If the profit wasn't good, they say consumer spending in the agricultural products is slowing down and they don't want that. They want to improve consumer spending so that more killing of animals will occur.

Posted by: kevin Location: eastern kentucky on Mar 16, 2008 at 11:55 PM
they complain it's cruel but i would much rather be a game rooster thena cornish cross. the hsus needs to be a little more worried about the colonel sanders than a game rooster who usal lives a long healthy 2 year life with the top care rather confined to tiny pens with thousands of others for only an 8 week period of life before being sent to slaugter for our enjoyment to! but opinions are like butt holes everyones got one!

Posted by: jon Location: ky on Feb 27, 2008 at 01:49 PM
It is amazing how we worry about stupid things.The first place is they always say the usa is for peoples rights.They harp on cockfighting but you can set out poison for mice that takes days of pain before it dies.You can set a trap that cuts the air off untill the mouse dies.You can shoot out a coon untill it falls into a pack of dogs and they rip it into and skin it out and throw away the meat.You can shoot a deer with an arrow which takes several hours to die.You can trap animals with steel traps and this is all okay.When they stop cockfighting they then will turn to something else.You can buy a peice of property and you can only do on it what they will let you.Where is our fredom.Our goverment has let arsenic treated wood to be used for our kids to play on and let toys painted with lead in this country.I think with gas prices and everything else this country is facing they need to worry about more important things.

Posted by: Byron Location: Johnson county on Jan 2, 2008 at 12:55 PM
legalize it!!!! they may as well, ITS GONNA HAPPEN ANYWAYS>......DuHH id like to see a peta worker try and go in a pen and cuddle with a gamecock, lol it would be hilarious, these birds are naturally aggressive and have been bred to fight for over 200 years in kentucky, so does peta want them EXTINCT?????, cuz your not gonna breed the aggression out of them, they should read some history before they judge things!!!

Posted by: jason Location: kentucky on Jul 29, 2007 at 07:15 PM
I live in Kentucky. I raise gamecocks. I think they should make it legal to fight them.

Posted by: Allen Location: Michigan on May 14, 2007 at 08:37 PM
I feel that diversity is an important part of our great Country, I also believe that trying to make criminals out of law abiding citizens because they do different things such as 'cock fighting' is not embracing diversity we can learn many things from people that are different than us we can not learn by trying to make every one like us, if that was the case everyone would be cock fighters

Posted by: sabrina Location: eastern ky on May 6, 2007 at 12:18 AM
tonight may 5 2007, there was several game cock pits raided by federal Marshall's. in one arena there was 52 Marshall's. this is my opinion and view on this...it is a bunch of junk to start out with. the truth is if 2 game roosters where turned loose in the same yard these chickens would fight to the death. regardless to people fighting them. the humane society says that it is cruelty. well isn't it not cruel when a drunk hits a car and kills a kid or mangles it for life. isn't it not cruel to send our kids to a war that is over nonsince just to be killed . of course it is, but what is the political parties trying to do anything to stop it..you ask me nothing.. they could by making any form of alcohol illeagal. i ask all political parties which is more important to stop killing our kids from a war that is over stupidness, or killing our kids from drunk drivers, or stop 2 chickens from killing each other (which doesn't take any human to provoke). to me it is more important to them to stop game fighting then to stop our kids from being killed.. i am not a person that would kill anything, but i would kill a chicken everyday of the week rather than send someones child to war to be killed or let a drunk driver on the road to kill my kid. you ask me the war can be stopped and the drunk drivers can be stopped. for one by stopping a war will end a war. by making acohol illeagal will stop a drunk driver, but there is nothing you can do to stop these chickens from fighting cause it is in their nature.


Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 30, 2007 at 07:23 AM
i was born in kentucky and love this state i have risk my life working in the mines to make a living I think i should have the right to go to a chickin fight if it is what i want. that bunch hsus dont even want you useing live bait to fish with.

Posted by: David Location: Ky on Apr 28, 2007 at 02:24 AM
I live in Ky. I work a 9 to 5 every week,Ipay my taxes and vote.My famley and friends do as well.I will not be gilty of a vote for anyone that supportes the humane society.I also beleave God gave us meat to eat,horses to race,dogs to hunt,and worms to fish with.This is just my thoughts.

Posted by: shirley Location: kentucky on Apr 21, 2007 at 08:28 PM
no i do not fight but i have good roosters. if are men and women can be kill for freedom than we should have the the freedom to fight are roosters

Posted by: james Location: ky on Apr 21, 2007 at 11:27 AM
i live in ky..i am a Breeder of game fowl..my opinion is that the "humane" society & peta should take a look at things thru others eyes..the bible says that god gave man dominion over the animals & fowl for food & recreation..surely that applies here...and also, if the hsus & pets want to outlaw game pits & gamefowl, then why dont they try outlawing the big meat & egg producers ? those fowl only live 2 months & have no chance for survival..at least gamefowl have the chance to fight for whats theirs..they have a 50/50 percent chance to survive...if they think that they will ever stop game shows, then they are fooling no one but themselves..have a good day

Posted by: jason Location: mich on Apr 14, 2007 at 12:50 PM
what do you think the so called humane society would do with all those chickens ? they would kill all of them! I don't think thats humane. Hundreds of people eat chicken every day so if your opposed to a backwoods cockfight and you eat chicken sandwich shut the hell up and worry about something that is a real problem. HSUS needs to worry about saving a dogs life instead of some chickens that we all eat.

Posted by: Allen Location: Michigan on Apr 12, 2007 at 07:15 PM
I feel the goverment and HSUS should leave the rural life style alone. If they want to stop something stop man from killing each other and let the cocks go

7 comments:

Mary Beth said...

Ah yes... there some reasons I'm glad not to live in Kentucky anymore.

If you can capture this mindset, you'll have painted root cause! I can see it now, masked and dancing warriors with blind eyes and twisted hearts!

Dan Dutton said...

Yet there's truth in the appraisal brutality in "factory farms" ~ & this is part of the story.

I've thought of having two little boys play the battle with toy soldiers whilst watched, thru telescopes, by Lincoln, Grant, Lee, Sherman, et al - at the same time that the warriors/roosters do "what's been bred into them." Caged fighting is popular, still - from the coliseum to TV. It's a heterosexual thing, I suppose - or not. All the world's a cage...

Mary Beth said...

"It's a heterosexual thing..."


Is it all hormones, genes, and societal programming? Is fighting an offshoot of posturing to attract the choicest female (I’m not sure if this carries over for gay and/or lesbian courtships but it would seem to be likely.)Is this the basis of "the romance of war?"

When I put on my makeup in the morning, am I trying to be attractive in order to gain a leg up in society/ the work world/ my marriage? Did Helen really have a face that launched a thousand ships? In telling students that they can’t play guns on the playground (this rule came about after Columbine and several incidents of grade school children bring guns into classrooms) am I subverting their true human nature? Why didn’t Adam and Eve seek family counseling when Cain and Able were at each other’s throats?

When Arvin and Virginia’s son Ricky was in Vietnam, a cameraman was inserted into his Unit. I was only 3 but my mother would call for me to come and watch the news to see if we could get a glimpse of his face. She had gone into the kitchen to pull a pan off the stove and left me kneeling in front of the T. V. The grainy black and white screen showed a helicopter touching down in a field. Tall grasses were waving and men with guns were running about. Shoots ran out and the camera began to jump around. Men were falling to the ground. They didn’t get up. I couldn’t understand. Why won’t they get up? What was wrong with them? Mama just looked at me from the kitchen doorway and murmured, “Real war ain’t playing guns Honey.”

Dan Dutton said...

You've posed some challenging questions, Mary Beth. & some old ones at that! It's too soon to tell if YACB will make progress towards a provisional method of approaching them.

During research on The Faun I spent a lot of time reading about the history, and theories, of hormones, gender, aggression, the discovery and manipulation of testosterone, and how some of that seemed to shape social relations. One tentative concept did emerge ~ & perhaps the tiniest bulwark of the emergence is the most provocative ~ Gaston Bachelard wrote that "... there is a tiny seed of aggression in every act." & posed a challenge for the dreamer who would act; what are my actions directed toward? & what against? Dialectic philosophy, in its ceaseless oscillation between poles, can make the brain cry for dramamine (?) -
music, or zen silence, if there's any available.

There's no doubt that aggressive power is recognized and reflected in social structures, especially the ways in which male and female "roles" are codified by acceptance, rejection, or specialized placement. It was interesting to find out that as early as the 1800s, at least, "doctors" were pounding up bull testicles and injecting the supposed substance of maleness into willing recipients. Cuisine can provide even older recipes, and still does ~ have a mountain oyster.

The use of steroids, for the purpose of making the potential of male aggression explicit, in, and on the body, centers on a revealing cluster of participants whose common meeting ground is the gymnasium (Greek for building to be seen naked in) ~ policemen, firefighters, athletes, bodybuilders, and same-sex oriented men. The hyper male body as display is important to all of them. One hormone historian claimed that if you took away steroid use, (which began in the 40s, if I remember correctly) that ALL of the sports records made since that time would be invalidated. The modern male, as imagined by many, is chemically created, and thus (confirming the long held belief which comforts so much...) utterly Natural. Will serves the Elemental, as long as the instructions are simple. Our fetishes are deeply rooted, and in my experience, most people use rage and despair to guard against even looking at them, except maybe surreptitiously, late at night on the computer. That most modern of outlets for aggression encompasses the porn site, the war game, and venues to write things at people that transcend (is that the right word?) civility.
"You can't stop me, it's the internet - I can write whatever I want." ~ so said one such online harasser when I requested a cease and desist.

Freedom ~ that's the trope evoked whenever boundaries on power, whether selfish or (seemingly?) selfless, are declared or denied. We're still a long way from a definition, since it's precisely at the edge of definition that the line we would cross appears. I actually used to believe I could site that on my skin.

One of the hardest realizations, I think, in theater, is to know that you are performing. I love the scene in Bergman's Fanny & Alexander where the father, an actor doing his last role, as the ghost of Hamlet's father, collapses on stage and (as played by the actor Bergman chose!) is (really...) dying. "What was I doing?" His wife, also an actress, with terrible concern, but quietly, replies "You were acting." "Acting? Why was I acting?"

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My apologies for rambling thoughts! If You'll Always Come Back stimulates those, such as we've already had, even if no conclusions are reached, then I think it will be a good work.

Mary Beth said...

Ah Dan, have no fears! YACB has already stimulated the thoughts and stirred the emotions of this audience member.And, while I will admit to being the odd bird, I am certain it's magic will be felt by others.

Speeking one's intermost thoughts to a friend is a compliment. Rambling thoughts spoken aloud (written works too)are a signal that friends are sharing freedom and emotional (and possibly intellictual) growth.

Dan Dutton said...

Ever since the first installation piece that I made, ("Water" for the Speed Museum, back in the 80s) ~ I've had the conviction that the conversations during the process are part and parcel of the work.

During the day that Water was installed, I spoke with several people who wandered in and out of it, and one man who observed it for quite a long time. All of them told me the same story, with different details, about how they went to a body of water, (stream, river, pond, lake) whenever they had some stressful or negative state of being, and that, in so many words, that condition was transferred or relieved by the nature of the water. That was the evidence I needed to begin making opera.

So now, in a sense, the performances also have something of the nature of water, they absorb the offerings & gifts tossed in by many, and pass them on. Of course we may have no idea where the little leaf boat we set adrift on the stream may journey to - it may sink just round the bend, or, in another sort of dream, sail on to the great ocean.

Mary Beth said...

Forgive me for always thinking in bits and fragments of poetry but you water comments brought a Whitman poem to mind (Have you read his Civil War poetry?)

OUT of the rolling ocean, the crowd, came a drop gently to me,
Whispering, I love you, before long I die,
I have travel'd a long way, merely to look on you, to touch you,
For I could not die till I once look'd on you,
For I fear'd I might afterward lose you.


(Now we have met, we have look'd, we are safe;
Return in peace to the ocean, my love;
I too am part of that ocean, my love--we are not so much separated;
Behold the great rondure--the cohesion of all, how perfect!
But as for me, for you, the irresistible sea is to separate us,
As for an hour, carrying us diverse--yet cannot carry us diverse for
ever;
Be not impatient--a little space--Know you, I salute the air, the
ocean and the land,
Every day, at sundown, for your dear sake, my love.)

I've felt that way about those I've loved and couldn't have. Maybe I don't have enough of the fight chemicals surging through my blood. I'm sure as hell not going to eat any mountain oysters in an attempt to find out!